The REFINE Network

The REFINE Network

Hosted by: Evan Silver & Christopher Hartl

Welcome to The Refine Network with Evan Silver, your go-to podcast for all things salon industry-related. Join us as we dive deep into topics ranging from leadership development, cultivating a positive salon...

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Episodes

Erin’s Takeover: What Sets Refine Apart

Erin takes over the mic and puts Christopher and Evan in the hot seat to talk about what truly sets The Refine Network apart. From the origins of Refine to the heart behind salon growth, leadership, and pricing — this...
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High Performers: Why they're leaving -- and how to keep them

In this episode, Evan and Chris dive into why high-performing stylists and service providers leave — and what leaders can do to keep them. They unpack three core reasons top talent drifts away: leadership, goals, and...
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7 Ways Leaders Seize Opportunity

Every leader is faced with opportunities—but not everyone takes them. In this episode, we unpack seven ways leaders can recognize, step into, and maximize the moments that move their life and business forward. From...
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Growth vs. Gossip: Keeping Culture Strong

What’s the difference between venting and gossip — and why does it matter for your team? In this episode, we react to a fiery Dave Ramsey clip and explore how negativity shows up in salons, why it damages trust, and...
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From Burnout to Purpose: Finding Joy in Your Work Again

Ever feel like you’re just showing up, unlocking the doors, and going through the motions? In this episode, we talk about what to do when the passion fades — and how to reconnect with the purpose behind your work. We...
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Beyond Booking: Using Tech to Grow Your Salon

In this episode of The Refine Network Podcast, we sit down with Joe DiFalco, Senior Partnerships Manager at Phorest, one of the leading salon software platforms, to talk about where the industry is headed and how...
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Leading with Legacy: 3 Regrets You Can Still Avoid

What do people actually regret at the end of their lives—and how can leaders like you avoid the same fate? In this episode, David Naim returns to share three powerful reflections from his late father’s legacy that...
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(EXCLUSIVE) Behind the Scenes of Scale: Leading, Budgeting & Growing Your Salon

We’re bringing you something special. This exclusive episode is part of our Scale Coaching Series, where we take you behind the scenes of the systems, structure, and strategy that fuel real salon growth. In part one,...
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What’s Holding Your Salon Back: Systems vs People

From KPI boards and shout‑outs to meetings that keep everyone aligned, we share practical examples, mindset shifts, and stories from real salons. If you’ve ever felt stuck trying to solve the same problems over and...
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Strong Teams Don't Happen by Accident

In this episode, we’re diving into what it really takes to build a connected, high-performing salon team—from group flow and psychological safety to leadership habits and onboarding systems that scale. If you’ve ever...
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Salon Metrics to Stop Tracking—And What to Track Instead

Not all numbers are created equal. In this episode, we break down the metrics that are holding salons back—and the ones that actually drive growth. From service sales per hour to average ticket, we're cutting through...
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Future-Ready Salons: Tech, Truth & The Next Era with Gordon Miller

In this episode, Gordon Miller returns to the podcast for a thought-provoking conversation on the future of the beauty industry. From tech innovations like AI agents and intuitive salon systems to the realities of...
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