The REFINE Network

The REFINE Network

Hosted by: Evan Silver & Christopher Hartl

Welcome to The Refine Network with Evan Silver, your go-to podcast for all things salon industry-related. Join us as we dive deep into topics ranging from leadership development, cultivating a positive salon...

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Episodes

From Burnout to Purpose: Finding Joy in Your Work Again

Ever feel like you’re just showing up, unlocking the doors, and going through the motions? In this episode, we talk about what to do when the passion fades — and how to reconnect with the purpose behind your work. We...
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Beyond Booking: Using Tech to Grow Your Salon

In this episode of The Refine Network Podcast, we sit down with Joe DiFalco, Senior Partnerships Manager at Phorest, one of the leading salon software platforms, to talk about where the industry is headed and how...
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Leading with Legacy: 3 Regrets You Can Still Avoid

What do people actually regret at the end of their lives—and how can leaders like you avoid the same fate? In this episode, David Naim returns to share three powerful reflections from his late father’s legacy that...
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(EXCLUSIVE) Behind the Scenes of Scale: Leading, Budgeting & Growing Your Salon

We’re bringing you something special. This exclusive episode is part of our Scale Coaching Series, where we take you behind the scenes of the systems, structure, and strategy that fuel real salon growth. In part one,...
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What’s Holding Your Salon Back: Systems vs People

From KPI boards and shout‑outs to meetings that keep everyone aligned, we share practical examples, mindset shifts, and stories from real salons. If you’ve ever felt stuck trying to solve the same problems over and...
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Strong Teams Don't Happen by Accident

In this episode, we’re diving into what it really takes to build a connected, high-performing salon team—from group flow and psychological safety to leadership habits and onboarding systems that scale. If you’ve ever...
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Salon Metrics to Stop Tracking—And What to Track Instead

Not all numbers are created equal. In this episode, we break down the metrics that are holding salons back—and the ones that actually drive growth. From service sales per hour to average ticket, we're cutting through...
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Future-Ready Salons: Tech, Truth & The Next Era with Gordon Miller

In this episode, Gordon Miller returns to the podcast for a thought-provoking conversation on the future of the beauty industry. From tech innovations like AI agents and intuitive salon systems to the realities of...
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Leading with Presence | The AVV Approach

In this episode, we’re breaking down the AVV Approach—what it really means to be Available, Visible, and Valuable as a leader. From jumping in to help at the front desk to noticing the tiny details that shape the...
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Inside the Leader’s Retreat: Takeaways, Tears & Team Building

In this bonus episode, we’re fresh off the REFINE Leader’s Retreat and sitting down to talk through what made this one feel different—from emotional breakthroughs and honest conversations to real-time strategy shifts...
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EVOLVING AS A LEADER: How Owning Mistakes Builds Stronger Teams

In this episode, we sit down with salon owner and industry leader Wendy BƩlanger for an honest, insightful conversation about leadership, change, and the lessons no one talks about. From opening a second business...
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DIFFICULT GUESTS | Protecting Your Team & Winning the Relationship

In this episode, we’re digging into how to handle difficult guests, protect your team, and still win the relationship. We share real stories from behind the scenes—including guests who crossed the line—and break down...
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